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772 0 obj<>stream For the rifles produced in North America, American black walnut was consistently used, with birch used as a substitute when walnut was not available. The safety latch style and M47C mark are of note as is the rear pad, flush slotted screw and interestingly the screw being staked at the top. Get the best deals on Enfield Slings when you shop the largest online selection at eBay.com. 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Our Price: 195.00: Gunner Points: 19: Stock Info: Out Of Stock: CR322 LE4 Sling swivel. Is, until the government created the dispersal codes in 1943. An example of a viewer's mark "75TZ" is pictured at left. Lee Enfield books by Ian Skennerton - Ideal reference information Buy Now Of other interest - Wood and other Metal marks / stamps. The No. Lee-Enfield rifle 303 No.4 Mark 1. Popularly known as the "Victory Plastics" scabbard, it was unique in design compared to all other No. This Mk. Lee Enfield No4 Mk* Long Branch 1944 - SOLD No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1944 Serial KC25154 - Sold No4 Mk1 Maltby 1942 Serial M10655 - Sold No4 Mk1* Sterling 7.62mm Conversion - Sold AIA Lee Enfield M10-A1 Cal: 7.62x39mm - Sold Long Branch No4 Mk1* 1950 - Long Butt - SOLD No4 Mk1 7.62mm - SOLD No4 Mk1 BSA 1942 - Sold No4 Mk1 Fazakerley 1942 - Sold After hostilities the No4T parts and CES lists were re-standardized with the 1907 USA Leather Sling as a standard (despite the progress and learning). This means Royal Ordance Factory Fazakerly, Factory Through Repair, 1949. 4 Mk. British Lee-Enfield No4 Mk2 knife bayonet, scabbard and frog Dated 1949 P (RSAF Poole) 95.00. So BSA Shirley, that produced the No4 rifles was designated "M47C" (Midlands region, sequential supplier no 47, factory C). Three firms produced the No. .303 isn't any different that anything else. This is not to say that Enfield serial numbers provide no information or that they are not an interesting subject. . II* bayonets were produced, over a million of which were produced by Prince-Smith. This example has a much finer finish on the socket than other No. A quantity of No. & S. Ltd." = Fred Fisher & Sons Ltd. "JW (S) Ltd." = John Wilson Ltd., Sheffield, "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" = Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. 4 mm. The No. Serial number observations suggest about 7,000 were made. " gh" over "1 9 h". RV# 11322, Socket: "No 4 Mk II" over a superimposed "LB". 4Mk. A few were parkerized at the Long Branch factory later in the war, but these examples are few and far between. xb```b``^X,{%NIt#@4qz6lR9A!}klL61M?&`8p8feD'J 5'J1i&u K08|uN1+|^ T 5O.8,uM^rJV`[X;%!..@ ;~]m2G%Ey,' XtnxQc9!Lm1_h The rear sights were also switched out for Singer Machine marked and made parts (interestingly not marked S67 yet even this late in production and supply). 4Mk. These were provided to Britain under the Lend-Lease Act. Howard & Bullough marked their bayonets three different ways: Lewisham Engineering, at 9 & 11 Malyons Road, Ladywell, London, was the smallest maker of the No. I'll shoot some pictures of mine this weekend if you want. Production occurred during the latter half of 1941 and into the early months of 1942. Other Components - By studying the few untouched (scopeless) No4Ts we can see which other No4T components came from other supplies to the BSA factory from 1941 to 1945. They remained in use with select weapon platforms - the P14T / No3T as its name was changed) through to WW2. A round frog stud is brazed to the body. 4Mk. Early blued steel mouthpiece marked: "No. The swivel was to be "low turret" in design so that the sling body would be stopped by the existing magazine loop - this allowed the sling to be "locked" in a diagonal exit path off the fore end at an ideal angle to wrap the bicep and provide sling position options for better steadying in all positions. Once the initial range of numbers was maxed out a letter prefix was added and the numbering began again. If you are slightly less lucky you may have a rifle, scope and accessories that have been used and "improved" by private owners and tinkerers, Here is how to spot original features, errant ones and simple techniques to step towards your chosen rifle impression - original factory - war years service - post war British service and post war International service - organized by parts group: Wrist markings: I was talking with a fellow enthusiast about BSA Shirley using electro-penciled serial numbers in production and so took some photos to explore this: Here we have a scopeless and virtually unfired 1945 No4T on the left and an "active service" No4T on the right that had its last service with India, other than the metal being painted with lumpy glossy black paint it is predominantly unchanged, On the left, the scopeless one exhibits all marks as freehand stamps through the blackened surface. I bayonet was short, light, sturdy, and unappealing. The only maker was the Singer Manufacturing Co. (the famous sewing machine people), at their Clydebank, Scotland plant. This indicates the length of the bolt head with the larger numbers being the longer bolt heads. Call us toll free: +1 888-744-0066. British "Enfield" rifles are some of the most iconic small arms in the world. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Exploded View: Short, Magazine Lee-Enfield, Mk III, 'A Grisly Business:' Australias Lee-Enfield Sniper Rifle, Reviving An Enfield: RTIs Imported No. 1* is functionally the same as the Mk.1, but various changes were made in the design to make the manufacturing process faster. Barrels with two, three, four, five, and six groove rifling were produced. The new model became the Magazine, Lee Enfield Mk1 or MLE Mk1 in 1895. 4 Mk. %%EOF Though, looking at the photos, it could mean the same. Feedback from the initial service performance at the front (often from prior experienced target shooters) indicated that longer slings with a central mount at the front of the magazine would be preferred. The box label indicates that these were packed July 8, 1957, at the 5th Storage Depot, Moncton, New Brunswick. When the No4T was conceived the cheek piece was transferred / continued. This Mossberg 26B bolt-action rifle in .22 caliber belonged to my dad, Robert Elmo Babington. 4 Mk. The rifle pictured here is a No. Ltd. (pictured at left) Upon firing the wood instantly fractured and burns resulted, and although serious injury was possible, the owner was lucky this time. II* socket forgings. However, this has not been substantiated. 4 bayonet is coated with PX4mineral oil (grease), in a green waxed "primary pack" wrapper. 2 mm. This mark sometimes appears alone and sometimes with another forging contractors mark, which suggests that Tinsley supplied steel to several of the socket forging contractors. This is stamped on the band: 1943 A L 1 1385 Also on the rear barrel band it is stamped VNS with a little crown underneath of it and there is an I stamped on the front sight guard. Parker Hale PH5DC Lee Enfield No4 rear sight and PH 'FS2A' foresight. starting with a 1) indicates it was manufactured by ROF Maltby in Yorkshire, England. First debuted in November 1895 as the .303 calibre, Rifle, Magazine, Lee-Enfield, the rifle has still found use today in military, sporting and ceremonial roles - over one hundred years since its inception in its original form. Specs: Savage Enfield No.4 MK1* Barrel Length: 25" Overall Length: 44.5" Caliber: .303 British Weight: 9lbs Capacity: 10 rounds Price: $600 to $1200 Ratings (out of five stars): Reliability: * * * * * It wasn't made by the French. The Crown Corporation Small Arms Ltd., Long Branch, Ontario, Canada, made approximately 910,000 No. Beechwood was used on some of the later war specimens and was extensively used on the rifles that were refurbished in the factories. That looks like an interesting rifle. AA5081 is the stores catalogue number. The stocks of British manufactured examples are typically a naturally seasoned English walnut that has a moderately dark brown color and has a tight, straight grain. The No. 4 Mk. 4 bayonets. Singer continued using a similar markings, as used on the Mk. 5 S.D. 1 Mk. Hosted by Andy H. Gruff, I don't know but will check mine when I get home tonight and report in if it is on mine. The easiest way to identify a "Jungle Carbine" rifle is to look for the markings on the left hand side of the receiver; a genuine No. 0000001570 00000 n Top to bottom an . This rifle retained most of the overall design feature of the earlier model, including the 30 barrel length. 4Mk. :Mr`X cV7AB.D~|rU`z .O l/|~ ; 7{ Following World War II, Fazakerley was the only factory that continued manufacturing the Enfield No. The maker is unknown, but is believed to be Belgian. The real loop is similarly for adjusting tautness from the biceps to the butt sling of the rifle when in the firing shoulder "pocket". 4 Rifle," appeared originally in the April 2004 issue of American Rifleman. Smith & Wesson's new M&P FPC is a compact, folding pistol-caliber carbine chambered in 9 mm Luger and designed to accept the company's M&P handgun magazines. Quantity: 2 ea. It was published in 2007, available now from Aust., N.Z., US and UK distributors. Very good 5 groove barrel. This example came in a modified Turkish belt frog. II*, with approximately 84,566 reported produced from 19431945. More importantly, everything it makes has the performance to match. 196,200 were produced, all by Joseph Lucas Ltd., Chester Street, Birmingham. Thanks. Other than the war time Hollands originals, some of these commercial sling swivels have been retrofitted onto Npo4Ts - probably in private hands. I markings were reminiscent of how Pattern 1907 bayonets were marked, with the royal cypher, type, and maker. 1 various markings. 4Mk. You must log in or register to reply here. 4 MK. It was thought that these may have been used by Australian units serving alongside the British Army, however, Australian issue of these bayonets has not been confirmed. 2018 at 7:33am: he! Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. Canadian Arsenals trademark was adopted in 1947, Spirit of the Pike - British Socket Bayonets of the 20th Century, British No. The last year observed on these sights using the SM mark is 1943 as per the right hand example, then the S69 code is used - again on major components (sight ladder (top left of the face), cursor (left side), elevation screw (top) and elevations screw nut (back). The Lee-Enfield series of rifles is one of the most successful bolt-action rifles of all time. 1 Enfield rifle was adopted by the United Kingdom in 1941. Many Baird examples have a crowned IG mark on the socket. Before the war, Prince-Smith was a manufacturer of machinery for making woolen textiles. 4 bayonets. Sheffield Steel Products produced approximately 670,000 Mk. Recent research by Graham Priest determined that "TRM.1", "TRM.2", and "TRM 3" identify the Tinsley Rolling Mills Co. Ltd. of Sheffield. Magazine is 10 round factory issue, 10+1 rounds . 0000013021 00000 n Although touted as having many advantages over the Pattern 1907, the No. These bayonets equipped the 2ndNew Zealand Expeditionary Force. Truth be known about Enfield serial numbers is simply, the serial number was used more for production counting than any other reason. This is my first personal Enfield and second in my family. mark) on a scopeless 1944 BSA. The demand of new ENFIELD 303 NO 4 MK I rifle's has risen 6 units over the past 12 months. Hey guys, I just recently was given by my boss a Lee Enfield NO.4 MK1 303 British that I am trying to gather all the info about. Not too mention it looks better with the walnut furniture over the birch. he! 1 Rifle in 1926that had served with . III sniper rifle and Enfield No. 1944 Enfield No.4 Mk1*(T) Long Branch TP Sniper Rifle Serial # 74L0318 (Converted by Long Branch Arsenal, Ontario, Canada) c/w matching Telescopic, Sighting C No.32, Mk.I(TP) (Trade Pattern) Scope Serial # 4392S (Mfg by Lyman-Alaskan) . Our Price: . Rear micrometer sight. The rifle was dated 1942 and a lot of the No 4 and some No 1 SMLEs issued to South Africa was eventually sold to the SAP agencies then onto the surplus market. II bayonets packaged in a cardboard carton. Officially adopted in July1940 as the: Tab, Securing, Bayonet No. Anyone got a pic of that area on a Long Branch? Fazakerley also continued to produce the rifle for foreign contracts after the war. Another dimension is whether to use (or if it is fitted) to include the front trigger guard triangular sling swivel (included in the factory build from Nov 1944 onwards and added by armourers as found after). BRITISH or CANADIAN WWII ENFIELD SLING or BREN used cond. The No. I is the most commonly encountered scabbard, outnumbering all others combined. The following illustrates the four bayonet and scabbard types that were mass produced; and some unusual variants that I have acquired. 4 Mk. Sight system is wing protected blade front with flip up dual aperture rear, with calibrations of 800 yards. Maryland Shooters is the most active and largest Maryland gun community online. So they languished deep in the Weedon bunkers. Manufacturers will be noted either on the left side of the receiver or on the left side buttsocket. Markings on Lee Enfield rifles No4 serial numbers too. This CFTO is for identification purposes only and is not an authority to procure parts. Even the spring plunger is a stamping. Singer and other producers (Savage has been observed). Prince-Smith & Stells in Keighly, Yorkshire, produced 1,057,515 No. Decades of experience with handguns and holsters have given the author some excellent insights into the most popular designs. The factory was built by working around the clock during 1942 and was provided with capstans, drilling and milling machines, centre lathes, a steel-hardening and processing plant, and a centre-less grinding machine. These included ROF Fazakerley, BSA, and ROF Maltby. The No. Mid Band - This fabricated example is marked for S126 (C.E. Along with the manufacturers name both the date of manufacture and the type and mark of the rifle is also shown. Re: Lee Enfeild No 4 Mk1 Markings by Saxon Cross 23 Mar 2012, 13:50 Your serial No. long by 1.75in. Lee-Enfield No. He was born in 1921 and later served as a navy corpsman in Japan and Korea. Howard & Bullough converted from the manufacture of cotton spinning machines to the production of shells, gun carriages, mine sinkers, aircraft components, and bayonets. N30 (pictured at left) The No4 Mk1 (T) rifles are pretty easy to verify as they were marked clearly on the wrist band, action and scope mounts. or Best Offer. I* (T) were the standard WWII sniper rifles for the British and for the Commonwealth, except for Australia. 769 23 i would guess longbranch with savage magazine box and some brit parts thrown in for good measure , it does not seem at all unreasonable for the indian FR and yes the indians did no favors for collectors but there is no question who did the deed. 0000002083 00000 n Stock No: 7B/546 It is essentially an updated N0. Four scabbard designs saw significant use with the No. No4 rifles were given a starting number that may be used to identify manufacturers, but again there was no set serial blocks. Some of these rifles seemed to have laid in stores until the end of the war and then they and and the remains of the BSA marks were furiously converted to "T" status by H&H while the contract lasted. II bayonets from 19421944. Serial Numbers, Model, Mark and Manufacture Identification, Serial Number and Manufacturer Information Locations. Two Swiss codes are noted. In the British war time contract scheme there were 2 phases of demarcation - early / pre-war marks, and later regionalized contractor codes, For mid 1943 and down you are seeking the early war markings from Singer (SM), after that seek the regional producer code (S69 - for Southern region, 69th contractor). II* over BEC N96, inside an oval (pictured at left). Adopted by the British Army in 1939 the No.4 came into full production during the height of World War 2. Bayonet 4 spike bayonet. These rifles can often be identified by the stacking hook welded to the upper band. British Enfied rifle No.4 in action protecting a Bren gunner. 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